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Old February 1, 2008, 11:34 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I have a few questions regarding Sorcery.

Mostly regarding what it is exactly, it says that it's essence is force and that it is energy magic. My question is whether or not it's a particular force, or the 4 fundamental forces: strong and weak nuclear force; gravity; and electromagnetic. Some of the archmage spells give the impression that it's at the least strong and weak forces, as well as gravity.

Also it says energy, is there a specific energy that it's using, or energy in general which is a very broad term because it could mean quite a few things. Is it thermal energy, electrical energy, kinetic energy. Can sorcerers shoot lightning, heat or cool things by slowing down the movement of particles, or rob the kinetic energy of an object and stop it completely.

Some of the skills also deal with the manipulation of space, is that also the domain of sorcery or is it being manipulated through control of gravitational forces.
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Old February 2, 2008, 01:06 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Your questions assumes that Force essence controls atoms and molecules when such knowledge is not Aelyrian Force controls force essence so that's what Sorcerers manipulate. It's not atoms, but at higher proficiencies you can probably assert control over a given environment to literally slow down the particles of the air to cool or heat things, or super charge things to create lightning.

What you are proposing is not impossible, given the right wording and the right moderator As per gravity, you can just use Force to pull your target down Stopping a target is just using force to stop them, like making an invisible wall around their figure.
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Old February 2, 2008, 01:28 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Your questions assumes that Force essence controls atoms and molecules when such knowledge is not Aelyrian Force controls force essence so that's what Sorcerers manipulate. It's not atoms, but at higher proficiencies you can probably assert control over a given environment to literally slow down the particles of the air to cool or heat things, or super charge things to create lightning.

What you are proposing is not impossible, given the right wording and the right moderator As per gravity, you can just use Force to pull your target down Stopping a target is just using force to stop them, like making an invisible wall around their figure.
The thing with gravity was that there is a spell where you can actually create a black hole, they call it a gravity well but that's essentially what it is. As for this force essence it sounds as though you exert you control on the environment, like being able to actually grab gravity and bend it to how your want to act or removing energy by forcing the energy out or somewhere else.

Basically using the essence to grab or handle things you normally wouldn't be able to, like grabbing a beam of light and then bending it in the direction you want. Or stopping individual atoms to effect a state change in an item.
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Think of Sorcery as using 'force' as matter. You can shape it, bend it, make it do whatever you want it to. So instead of walking over to the person and punching them in the face, I can use my invisible hands and exert physical damage on them via Force Bolt.

The spell you are refering it just creates a field with a continuously pulling vortex that creates a vaccum, sucking things inside.
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I think that all that you mentioned is possible to do with Sorcery. Not to the extent of black holes or nuclear bombs, but yeah.
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Strong and weak nuclear force? Sorcery is based on a unified theory! But yeah, I'd personally go for thinking outside the box. RL science is not around and magic is still magic. Feel free to attempt the impossible.
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Another question is can you choose apply force essence to only one thing, like take a cup of tea and then create a bowl of force essence and then pour it in; however, instead of actually holding the tea the force is only applied to the particles that make the tea and you end up with pure water and tea?

Basically using force essence to act as a filter.
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I think that's possible. At about apprentice level
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Why would you end up with pure water and tea? I'm a bit confused about this one >.O
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Why would you end up with pure water and tea? I'm a bit confused about this one >.O
I should say that you are left with pure water and the herbs used to make the tea. The idea is that the bowl you made of force has a stipulation that it will only act upon the herbs in the water that make it tea, and thus separating the water which would pass through the bowl and the herbs you used to make your tea.
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I think it wouldn't work. That way you could seperate white blood cells from red blood cells, or whatever they are called. I doubt sorcery can do this kind of seperation. However, while I do love sorcery, it's not something I know 100%, so maybe, but I doubt it.

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I think it wouldn't work. That way you could seperate white blood cells from red blood cells, or whatever they are called. I doubt sorcery can do this kind of seperation. However, while I do love sorcery, it's not something I know 100%, so maybe, but I doubt it.

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Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of using to expel poison from a body, but using force directly on the poison as opposed to the body it inhabits.

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I have to agree with Skay on this one. I don't think you can separate anything in that particular manner. You most certainly can create a simple filter to remove the herbs/leaves from your tea, but it would probably be easier to simply run it through a cloth of some kind. With the poison, you might be able to stop poison from spreading to other parts of the body, but you would have to stop the blood with it (or you could slow down all movement throughout your body to give you some time to find a little help). You could force everything in the vicinity of a wound back out (might take some blood, other bodily fluids, or tissue with it), like sucking the venom from a snake bite.

Force/energy essence can be imagined in any way you wish, but as the others said it would be best to avoid explanations using atomic/nuclear science. I just say it encompasses any and all movement. If something moves, there's force 'essence' involved in some way.
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I have to agree with Skay on this one. I don't think you can separate anything in that particular manner. You most certainly can create a simple filter to remove the herbs/leaves from your tea, but it would probably be easier to simply run it through a cloth of some kind. With the poison, you might be able to stop poison from spreading to other parts of the body, but you would have to stop the blood with it (or you could slow down all movement throughout your body to give you some time to find a little help). You could force everything in the vicinity of a wound back out (might take some blood, other bodily fluids, or tissue with it), like sucking the venom from a snake bite.

Force/energy essence can be imagined in any way you wish, but as the others said it would be best to avoid explanations using atomic/nuclear science. I just say it encompasses any and all movement. If something moves, there's force 'essence' involved in some way.
Well I wouldn't say that the idea of separating poison from a body was science, I was more looking into how specific you can make force essence, you can levitate an object and change the nature of elements. I was just wondering if you could specifically target items with force essence regardless of size and then exert said force on them.
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Why not?

I think it all depends on your roleplaying. Obviously, you're not going to succeed as an initiate or even an apprentice. But with the right mindset, you should be able to realize that 'hey, this is poison and this is blood. I want poison out of my blood so focus on the poison and pull it out.'

It doesn't seem that far-fetched to me
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