OOC: Threads needing moderation.

[Maddyn]

If one of Ethgan'tor's moderators don't pick up a thread which needs moderation, please post here with the thread URL so that we don't have to go searching for the thread. Please give 3-4 days before posting here however, moderators have lives too (I think...lost mine somewhere) and while one of us may not have posted, your thread has likely been noticed. If one of Ethgan'tor's moderators dissappear on yourself for anymore than 14 days and there isn't any notice within the primary OOC thread, please PM myself (or another moderator in the case that the offendee is me...)

[Golash]

Ok I have been suffering with this thread for about 14 months now. I think the AGm that took over ha died as well.

http://www.alleria.com/forums/showth...h&pagenumber=9

Some one help me with this so I can finish. Please stop tortureing me with this thread.

[Maddyn]

Sorry about the delay in response, but you should have a moderator assigned to your thread (okay, one's already been assigned *grins*), and a post sometime soonish.

Cheers, Maddyn

[Golash]

Thanks Maddyn.

[Golash]

http://www.alleria.com/forums/showth...h&pagenumber=9


My thread here is in the process of getting dropped again. As a result I am posting it here again. The GD has made a rule that 3 days is the longest a player should wait as it is a reasonable time frame. However, my thread has now gone to six days. I need help with moderation on this. On a side note this thread has been going on for 1 year and three months. It is about to graduate to 1 year and four months. I do not want stories about how your pc went through a similar thing. I ask that the mods dont allow what happened to them happen to others.

Another note is that if consistent moderation w ould have been giving my thread would be done by now, and would result with me never having to post here in the first place. Thanks.

[Maddyn]

I'm going to be blunt, and if you don't like this you should have a Game Director/Designer speak with me about my mannerisms because it isn't going to change my answer. I'm not going to go on about how long the thread, or the comparison thereof of what myself and other people have had - not am I going to touch the thread myself simply because I have far too many at the current time which I hope you understand - if not, then you have my apologises but it doesn't change anything.

Just am I not going to reassign the thread unto Labyrinth (the only other moderator in the city besides Elbereth now that Innocence has been retired, Peach is retiring and Tauro became a GM) - your thread wasn't in Frigid River, nor in Ethgan'tor. You wanted attention, we're overworked as it is and not obligated to touch the Lauryllian Gracelands when our current cities are understaffed - and your thread was picked up regardless of this fact because we're trying to do the best we can rather than being brushed off with saying you should have asked a moderator from one of the other cities of the Lauryllian Gracelands.

If you don't like this, I suggest that you do ask around. This probably isn't the most polite of answers, but then tact isn't one of my strong points I'm afraid.

Six days isn't in the process of being dropped again, have you spoken with Elbereth to find the reasoning? Because I can quite readily state that Elbereth, Labyrinth and myself are all extremely busy in real life with schoolworkand the like - and that is the priority. Not Alleria. Just as I think three days is optimist in quite a few cases, it's nice mind - don't get me wrong - but as a 'rule', I think it's too black/white and fails to take into account people, oddly enough, have lives other than Alleria. I know for a fact that it takes anywhere from 2-7 days for me to get around to replying to some threads and I've yet to see a Game Director point out that this isn't good enough and give the proverbial slap on the wrist, etc. I'm not proud of it, but it doesn't change the situation.

If you want the thread reassigned - fine, I have absolutely no problem with this.

I don't however, ever want to see an elaborated 'TTT' like this when Elbereth has done a lovely job with the thread thus far, far better than I could provide if I'd taken it myself. We're doing the best we can, if you don't like it then duely noted; but it doesn't change a thing. Take it to a Game Director (and even then, that still won't change our RL situations), or seek out an xGM of one of the other cities in the Lauryllian Gracelands.

I apologise if you take this as being offensive, that's your right. I am however not going to take something like this seriously - if it was two weeks without a reply I might've cared, and I do find it sad your thread has been going on for so long - but we're trying to fix the situation within our means, and having this 'TTT' to be honest I find quite rude.

- Maddyn

[Golash]

Maddyn I find it illogical that a thread that has been dragged along like mine with little care that has been dropped several times not to be a priority in the first place. I think I deserve time on any ones list of threads. I honestly think a thread needs to be dropped to accommodate the ridiculous amount of time this thread has taken men. IN fact that should be a rule. Threads like the one I am in is a reason people quit this game in the first place.

I am not downing the current AGM nor am I doing likewise with you. You have helped me in a couple of occasions I appreciate it. However, you say go else where I did, and I was pointed here to attempt to find help some where else. In affect I am going in circles, and thus my thread will c ontinue poorly. This is not good moderation when this occurs. Then there really is no meeting the needs of a PC.

Now my turn to be increasingly frank. If you don't got the time Maddyn then quit, and just use your PC its really simple. Also I think its rude that you or no one else has taken a resolute motion to help see this thread through to the end. I know I did for others, but I guess people enjoy screwing me over.

Another thing I was not TTT I am in hot persute to see this thread finished which has not been stimulating because of its very nature of being regulary mis handled. It is your job Maddyn to deal with tough cases like mine and do something about it. Yea stop hiding behind the I have no time excuse and make time to fix an obvious issue.

My thread in general should be taken up very seriously because its been poorly tended to. What the case here is that you really do not want to help me. So what point me to another city that can t help me? If this is how you help people then its a joke, and my thread meaningless.

Also Alleria is not priority in your life thats good of course. however, you did sign up as a moderator it is then logical you and everyone else must fulfill that duties that follow the part. Not pick some threads and let some die. I won't allow my thread to be sacrificed.

You don't want to help me, but packaged it as though it was some lame TTT to blame me. This was your way of of just pushing aside a thread, and I do not appreciate it.

[Anne]

There are times gentlemen when things should be taken to pm...
This is one of those times!

I will address the issue of the thread and find a mod to bring it to a conclusion ASAP without loosing the storyline. You will have to bear with me.

[Maddyn]

*smiles politely*

Maddyn I find it illogical that a thread that has been dragged along like mine with little care that has been dropped several times not to be a priority in the first place. I think I deserve time on any ones list of threads. I honestly think a thread needs to be dropped to accommodate the ridiculous amount of time this thread has taken men.

I am not downing the current AGM nor am I doing likewise with you. You have helped me in a couple of occasions I appreciate it. However, you say go else where I did, and I was pointed here to attempt to find help some where else. In affect I am going in circles, and thus my thread will c ontinue poorly. This is not good moderation when this occurs. Then there really is no meeting the needs of a PC.

So, I, as a GM who had little to no time anymore due to university and work should drop what I'm doing here and now - tell other PC's that I'm sorry, but I'll no longer be posting in their threads because I'm morally obliged to take up your thread simply because you should be my priority? I'm sorry but that isn't happening. Fine, I can understand why being neglected for so long has you annoyed; I can relate to that simply because it's happened to me in the past.

But like I said, it doesn't change my answer one jot. Illogical? No, this is Ethgan'tor, this isn't the Lauryllian Gracelands and so you arn't my immediate priority - if you think it is when both Frigid River and Ethgan'tor are understaffed then have a Game Director tell me so. Yes, I agree you should have a moderator - you asked, and despite how busy we are, Elbereth provided and has done an extremely good job and has easily had very good response times. Three days? That's optimistic, six days - it's frequent all about the boards. As I said, two weeks I might have cared but when Elbereth is working on things and has RL to deal with as well first my caring goes out the window. I'm doing the best I can, as are Labyrinth and Elbereth.

The fact you've been so reasonable in the past is the only reason for not handing this over to a Game Director and walking away which is taking the easy route. You deserve an answer, and so I'll give you one and simply hope you can accept it at face value. It might not be the best one from your perspective, but it's the one I'm giving.

If you don't got the time Maddyn then quit, and just use your PC its really simple. Also I think its rude that you or no one else has taken a resolute motion to help see this thread through to the end. I know I did for others, but I guess people enjoy screwing me over.

Now this is the bit I find most amusing, if not ironic. If you must know, I currently intend to quit moderation once my current threads are completed - the only reason I haven't thus far is because I don't want to put others in the situation that you've been placed in; that I moderate quite a lot of people that i've spoken with over various chat mediums who've had similar problems to yourself in the past. This is why I'm not taking threads. I've been burnt out as a writer for quite some time, subjecting people to my posts is unfair when the quality is less than satisfactory in my own opinion. If things for me were so clear cut, you'd be looking at an account stating 'Former Staff' but it's not. Not when I have the time to complete the current storylines I've taken.

Again, I don't see it anywhere (nor having spoken with her) that Elbereth has any intention at all of not seeing your thread through to the end at this point in time. If anything, I wouldn't be suprised if this becomes ample ground for her to simply ditch the thread due to your lack of patience when someone has a slow week because of RL. If she does, I'll support such a decision simply because this is something you should have taken to PM or the Game Directorate. Yes, I know this too should probably be in PM but consider this more than sufficient grounds to lodge a formal complaint against myself for less than appropriate behaviour. I believe Comunity Abuse and Language are ample grounds, I can find a few more if you need assisstance...not sure if you can get the 25 for banning but one never knows.

Another thing I was not TTT I am in hot persute to see this thread finished which has not been stimulating because of its very nature of being regulary mishandled.

No, you just posted after only a week for another moderator to be assigned with the mentioning of this three day rule which to be absolutely honest I've yet to be told or seen in the Game Master Council. That your thread has been mishandled so in the past isn't my fault, nor Elbereth's - this hostility really is uncalled for when we're doing our best to cater towards getting you out of this rut.

It is your job Maddyn to deal with tough cases like mine and do something about it. Yea stop hiding behind the I have no time excuse and make time to fix an obvious issue.

Yes, I believe it is - have a run through my threads sometime and you'll find a nice little pattern. I pretty much only moderate older PC's who've been messed about by one moderator or another who's had RL to contend with and put their priorities in the right order. I've been trying to fix people's problems, make sure they have their storyline completed for quite some time; and again this belief is one of the only remaining reasons why I didn't retire as a moderator a few months ago; or even while I was still in Alleria Prime and just stick with my own PC. Not to say I don't and haven't moderated newer players, but it's the way things have worked. Newer players for the main in Alleria Prime didn't become older players, which leaves me with the older for storylines and, as 'coincidence' would have it - generally those most messed about simply because of perseverance.

The 'I have no time' excuse last I knew wasn't hiding, it was dealing with what's important. As much as I enjoy Alleria and writing with people I care about; putting my schoolwork first is always a priority and nothing is going to change that. The obvious issue being, oddly enough, I have real life - family, social, school and work - these can't just be brushed aside because they're my responsibilities. Yes I know I accepted further responsibilties when I applied to be a moderator; and is why in the future those will be let go.

It's a reality, not everyone has the time to post daily, or even every two or three and to be honesy I envy that ability. I know I can't do it anymore, last I tried my high school final exam marks suffered extremely and it isn't something I wish to ever come close to doing again and I doubt anyone else who's even come close to such a situation would either.

You don't want to help me, but packaged it as though it was some lame TTT to blame me. This was your way of of just pushing aside a thread, and I do not appreciate it.

No, if I didn't want to help you I'd have said ask another moderator from the beginning. If I had the time myself, I would have - but I don't. Labyrinth offered to take some of my threads, helps the problem but doesn't fix it; Elbereth has your thread which I could have simply asked her to take up others in Frigid River or Ethgan'tor first because those remain my priority. Pushing aside the chance to take your thread isn't something I'd do, not when there remains the option to suggest a few other moderators or ask someone to pick it up for me. I can accept your being annoyed, but posting something like this in the end is a 'TTT' - six days is rediculous for a thread that's assigned and by all accounts active.

I've tried, as has Elbereth to work a solution to your problem. I've suggested you go to a Game Director which in all accounts I feel would usually be a last resort to this situation. If obtaining a post once a week isn't acceptable, then I'm sorry but I can't cater to such and I don't think Elbereth or Labyrinth can either. Real life takes priority, and in my books nothing changes that fact - I have sympathy for your plight and I tried to work a solution rather than brushing you off.

If you want another moderator, fine - but if you can't accept that we don't have the time then you're posting this in the wrong place. We've tried, and offered but in the end the choice is yours.

- Maddyn

[Soldier]

Ladies and gentlemen. I am going to take over the thread for Golash. Thank you for your time and effort.

[Golash]

ok most that I knew, and you told me stuff I already know.

Thing is you failed to help me, and I have hit up the GD. Hopefully I can be helped.


Thanks for the previous help, and goodluck in college.

[Elbereth]

Golash -

Please accept my apologies for not moderating your thread in a more efficient manner. I haven't had the best of weeks lately and my posting frequency suffered as a result. As stated before, AGM Soldier has generously offered to take the thread and to hopefully see it to a better and more efficient conclusion.

- Elbereth.